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		<title>By: Ben Abbott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 02:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim,

Reading my last, I realized it may have sounded rude and short. I had intended to play along with what I&#039;d assumed was a totally &lt;strong&gt;bogus&lt;/strong&gt; mathematical treatment of the relativistic effects of my SPBH.

In the event that there is some plausible objective basis for the eqn, please correct me ... no one will be more thrilled than I :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>Reading my last, I realized it may have sounded rude and short. I had intended to play along with what I&#8217;d assumed was a totally <strong>bogus</strong> mathematical treatment of the relativistic effects of my SPBH.</p>
<p>In the event that there is some plausible objective basis for the eqn, please correct me &#8230; no one will be more thrilled than I :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Abbott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 00:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim,

Two questions.

(1) How does one calculate the gravity &lt;strong&gt;in&lt;/strong&gt; a black hole? ... what I&#039;m asking is what did you use for &quot;gbh&quot;.

(2) Are your units consistent? Time in years? Distance in miles? ... What of Mass?

oopps ...  sorry, I forgot the context of the subject. What you did was determine an appropriate outcome and then faked the math to give an answer right? ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>Two questions.</p>
<p>(1) How does one calculate the gravity <strong>in</strong> a black hole? &#8230; what I&#8217;m asking is what did you use for &#8220;gbh&#8221;.</p>
<p>(2) Are your units consistent? Time in years? Distance in miles? &#8230; What of Mass?</p>
<p>oopps &#8230;  sorry, I forgot the context of the subject. What you did was determine an appropriate outcome and then faked the math to give an answer right? ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=64#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 17:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love the extra touch of the seven days, this is brilliant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the extra touch of the seven days, this is brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh, BTW, d (delta) is dark energy, which as we all know represents the will of the big guy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, BTW, d (delta) is dark energy, which as we all know represents the will of the big guy</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=64#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, this is as bogus as it gets:

A = [{a/c *(ly/gbh)}*d] * (1/pi) * pi

where A= actual age; a= apparent age (13B years); ly = light year (in miles); gbh = gravity in black hole; 1/pi = inverse of pi.

The resulting answer is 5240.31288 years, + plus the 7  &quot;indefinite&quot; days it took for the creation.  :)

I&#039;m so ashamed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, this is as bogus as it gets:</p>
<p>A = [{a/c *(ly/gbh)}*d] * (1/pi) * pi</p>
<p>where A= actual age; a= apparent age (13B years); ly = light year (in miles); gbh = gravity in black hole; 1/pi = inverse of pi.</p>
<p>The resulting answer is 5240.31288 years, + plus the 7  &#8220;indefinite&#8221; days it took for the creation.  :)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so ashamed</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Abbott</title>
		<link>http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=64#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 11:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Blake/Tim&lt;/strong&gt;: Thanks for the comments and references. I&#039;ve order 3 books!

1. Black Holes and Time Warps
2. Exploring Black Holes
3. The Krone Experiment

If either of you know of anyone sufficiently knowledgeable to give a mathematical treatment of the orbital mechanics of a SPBH and able to fake the requisite relativistic effects, which result in a young earth in an old universe, please point them my way! :-)

I&#039;m happy to do all the &lt;em&gt;creative writing&lt;/em&gt; but doubt I am able to do the math without it being &lt;em&gt;transparently&lt;/em&gt; creative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Blake/Tim</strong>: Thanks for the comments and references. I&#8217;ve order 3 books!</p>
<p>1. Black Holes and Time Warps<br />
2. Exploring Black Holes<br />
3. The Krone Experiment</p>
<p>If either of you know of anyone sufficiently knowledgeable to give a mathematical treatment of the orbital mechanics of a SPBH and able to fake the requisite relativistic effects, which result in a young earth in an old universe, please point them my way! :-)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to do all the <em>creative writing</em> but doubt I am able to do the math without it being <em>transparently</em> creative.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 09:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blake:  The novel, &lt;i&gt;The Krone Experiment&lt;/i&gt; was by a former colleague of Phil Plait.  I may read Brinâ€™s book sometime in the near future.  

Ben:  I have neither particularly good creative writing skills nor enough spare time at the moment, so this would be more trouble than its worth.  Sorry :-(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake:  The novel, <i>The Krone Experiment</i> was by a former colleague of Phil Plait.  I may read Brinâ€™s book sometime in the near future.  </p>
<p>Ben:  I have neither particularly good creative writing skills nor enough spare time at the moment, so this would be more trouble than its worth.  Sorry :-(</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Abbott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 23:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Tim&lt;/strong&gt;, do you have an interest in writing up some pseudo math describing the &quot;orbital mechanics&quot; of a subterranean primordial black hole (SBH) as well as the faux relativistic effects that produce the requisite &lt;em&gt;apparent&lt;/em&gt; accelerated aging of the universe beyond the earth?

The math describing the orbital mechanics would be great. I&#039;ll be able to produce some excellent figures in no time :-)

I&#039;ve read several articles on primordial black holes (PBHs) and am comfortable writing up the effect that an evaporating SBH will ultimately have on life in God&#039;s petri dish.

I&#039;m a LaTeX geek, so I&#039;ll be able to put together a very impressive looking result.

What do you say? .... want to be a coauthor?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Tim</strong>, do you have an interest in writing up some pseudo math describing the &#8220;orbital mechanics&#8221; of a subterranean primordial black hole (SBH) as well as the faux relativistic effects that produce the requisite <em>apparent</em> accelerated aging of the universe beyond the earth?</p>
<p>The math describing the orbital mechanics would be great. I&#8217;ll be able to produce some excellent figures in no time :-)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read several articles on primordial black holes (PBHs) and am comfortable writing up the effect that an evaporating SBH will ultimately have on life in God&#8217;s petri dish.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a LaTeX geek, so I&#8217;ll be able to put together a very impressive looking result.</p>
<p>What do you say? &#8230;. want to be a coauthor?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=64#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 21:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating!

Was the novel &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidbrin.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Brin&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Earth&lt;/i&gt;?  (That would be a wonderful book to steal ideas from to give the paper a little extra complexity.)

Ben:

I think the book you should find is Taylor and Wheeler&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Exploring Black Holes: Introduction to General Relativity.&lt;/i&gt;  MIT uses it in their &lt;a href=&quot;http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Physics/8-033Fall2003/CourseHome/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;introductory relativity course&lt;/a&gt;; lots of people (including me) had big gripes with it, but it does take a good many black hole-related problems and boil them down to algebra.  If you&#039;re just looking for formulas to harvest, it&#039;s a good place to begin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating!</p>
<p>Was the novel <a href="http://www.davidbrin.com" rel="nofollow">David Brin</a>&#8216;s <i>Earth</i>?  (That would be a wonderful book to steal ideas from to give the paper a little extra complexity.)</p>
<p>Ben:</p>
<p>I think the book you should find is Taylor and Wheeler&#8217;s <i>Exploring Black Holes: Introduction to General Relativity.</i>  MIT uses it in their <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Physics/8-033Fall2003/CourseHome/index.htm" rel="nofollow">introductory relativity course</a>; lots of people (including me) had big gripes with it, but it does take a good many black hole-related problems and boil them down to algebra.  If you&#8217;re just looking for formulas to harvest, it&#8217;s a good place to begin.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 21:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I donâ€™t know much about black holes or relativity, so I canâ€™t help you out too much.  However, I have simulated how a black holeâ€™s orbit would behave inside the earth.  This had to do with a novel that Phil Plait (a.k.a. â€œThe Bad Astronomerâ€) recommended.  I had to use a published geologic table to get the earth&#039;s density as a function of distance from the center.  Integrating gave the mass of the earth very closely.  If the distance from the black hole to the center of the earth changes, then the mass below changes.  The result is that the orbit can precess quite a bit, tracing a pattern that looks like petals on a sunflower.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I donâ€™t know much about black holes or relativity, so I canâ€™t help you out too much.  However, I have simulated how a black holeâ€™s orbit would behave inside the earth.  This had to do with a novel that Phil Plait (a.k.a. â€œThe Bad Astronomerâ€) recommended.  I had to use a published geologic table to get the earth&#8217;s density as a function of distance from the center.  Integrating gave the mass of the earth very closely.  If the distance from the black hole to the center of the earth changes, then the mass below changes.  The result is that the orbit can precess quite a bit, tracing a pattern that looks like petals on a sunflower.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 14:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm, I&#039;d need to find a textbook or my old relativity notes, since I know there are appropriate formulas I don&#039;t have the gumption to derive from scratch.  In the meantime, you might like to scope out Chris Hillman&#039;s guide to &lt;a href=&quot;http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Relativity on the World Wide Web&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I&#8217;d need to find a textbook or my old relativity notes, since I know there are appropriate formulas I don&#8217;t have the gumption to derive from scratch.  In the meantime, you might like to scope out Chris Hillman&#8217;s guide to <a href="http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/" rel="nofollow">Relativity on the World Wide Web</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Abbott</title>
		<link>http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=64#comment-259</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 14:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blake, I&#039;m not an expert on relativity, and will need to rely on someone to fake the relativistic calculations. If you know anyone qualified ... ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake, I&#8217;m not an expert on relativity, and will need to rely on someone to fake the relativistic calculations. If you know anyone qualified &#8230; ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 13:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like a fantastic idea!  If I had marginally more free time, I&#039;d love to throw my lot in with you (and if you manage to produce a draft of a paper, I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll be able to sharpen it up a little).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a fantastic idea!  If I had marginally more free time, I&#8217;d love to throw my lot in with you (and if you manage to produce a draft of a paper, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll be able to sharpen it up a little).</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Abbott</title>
		<link>http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=64#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 23:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m thinking about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.icr.edu/ijcr/pdf/IJCR%20Call%20for%20Papers%20061220.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;submitting a paper&lt;/a&gt;. The subject I have in mind is &lt;strong&gt;&quot;The Acceleration of Radiometric Aging by Subterranean Primordial Black Holes&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

My premise is that a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordial_black_hole&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;primordial black hole&lt;/a&gt; exists within the Earth, essentially orbiting the center of Earth&#039;s mass.

The &lt;em&gt;hypothesis&lt;/em&gt; is that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060124_spacetime_dent.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;relativistic effects&lt;/a&gt; in the vicinity of a black hole accounts for why the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;universe &lt;em&gt;appears&lt;/em&gt; 13B yrs old&lt;/a&gt;, while the earth &lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt; only 6k-10k yrs old.

A subterranean primordial black hole [SPBH] fits the &lt;em&gt;conclusion&lt;/em&gt; ... err &lt;em&gt;evidence&lt;/em&gt;, quite nicely. It is essentially impossible to detect while stable, i.e. prior to its end of life [EOL].

When the SPBH reaches it&#039;s EOL, it will do so in a final grand explosion of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hawking radiation&lt;/a&gt; that will incinerate all life on the planet. The &lt;em&gt;good&lt;/em&gt; Christians will have ascended during &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tribulation.com/rapture.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the rapture&lt;/a&gt; leaving those remaining to burn in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tribulation.com/prtpetra.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Armageddon&lt;/a&gt; of hell&#039;s fire.

I&#039;m only &lt;em&gt;partially&lt;/em&gt; qualified to write the article ... meaning the publications I&#039;ve written seek out an &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;understanding of truth&lt;/a&gt;, rather that seeking to substantiate an a priori &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;assumed&lt;/em&gt; truth&lt;/a&gt;.

Thus, I need some help.

Who would like to be a co-author?

Before rushing to my aid, here&#039;s some important reference material.

1. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rdrop.com/users/green/school/primordi.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Primordial Black Holes&lt;/a&gt;
2. more &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordial_black_hole&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Primordial Black Holes&lt;/a&gt;
3. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Foundations for YEC review&lt;/a&gt;

If anyone knows &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/cutting/ageuniv.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Donald E. Simanek&lt;/a&gt;, I&#039;d very much welcome his cooperation in this endeavor!.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking about <a href="http://www.icr.edu/ijcr/pdf/IJCR%20Call%20for%20Papers%20061220.pdf" rel="nofollow">submitting a paper</a>. The subject I have in mind is <strong>&#8220;The Acceleration of Radiometric Aging by Subterranean Primordial Black Holes&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>My premise is that a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordial_black_hole" rel="nofollow">primordial black hole</a> exists within the Earth, essentially orbiting the center of Earth&#8217;s mass.</p>
<p>The <em>hypothesis</em> is that the <a href="http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060124_spacetime_dent.html" rel="nofollow">relativistic effects</a> in the vicinity of a black hole accounts for why the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe" rel="nofollow">universe <em>appears</em> 13B yrs old</a>, while the earth <strong>is</strong> only 6k-10k yrs old.</p>
<p>A subterranean primordial black hole [SPBH] fits the <em>conclusion</em> &#8230; err <em>evidence</em>, quite nicely. It is essentially impossible to detect while stable, i.e. prior to its end of life [EOL].</p>
<p>When the SPBH reaches it&#8217;s EOL, it will do so in a final grand explosion of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation" rel="nofollow">Hawking radiation</a> that will incinerate all life on the planet. The <em>good</em> Christians will have ascended during <a href="http://www.tribulation.com/rapture.htm" rel="nofollow">the rapture</a> leaving those remaining to burn in the <a href="http://www.tribulation.com/prtpetra.htm" rel="nofollow">Armageddon</a> of hell&#8217;s fire.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m only <em>partially</em> qualified to write the article &#8230; meaning the publications I&#8217;ve written seek out an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science" rel="nofollow">understanding of truth</a>, rather that seeking to substantiate an a priori <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion" rel="nofollow"><em>assumed</em> truth</a>.</p>
<p>Thus, I need some help.</p>
<p>Who would like to be a co-author?</p>
<p>Before rushing to my aid, here&#8217;s some important reference material.</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://www.rdrop.com/users/green/school/primordi.htm" rel="nofollow">Primordial Black Holes</a><br />
2. more <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordial_black_hole" rel="nofollow">Primordial Black Holes</a><br />
3. <a href="http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/" rel="nofollow">Foundations for YEC review</a></p>
<p>If anyone knows <a href="http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/cutting/ageuniv.htm" rel="nofollow">Donald E. Simanek</a>, I&#8217;d very much welcome his cooperation in this endeavor!.</p>
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